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Occult Practices and Public Schools

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I am becoming increasingly alarmed at the occult practices that are being introduced to my children in public school and even in kindergarten.  As momentum increases to try to remove Christian Religious Education from public schools, it alarms me that I see the pagan influences increasing.

My daughter is in grade 4 and my son in grade 1.  Every year so far there has been a battle with regards to this issue.

When my son was in his last term of kindergarten he had a substitute teacher for the last few weeks to cover maternity leave.  She had the kids sit in a circle and pass around a stick.  This stick had a string attached to the end of it with a feather attached to the string.  She asked them to wish for a pet as they held the stick.  She also practiced visualization and meditation with them.  She would get them to visualise their parents as tiny and in the palms of their own hands as they said some sort of mantra exerting their own will over their parents.  When my husband and I found out about this we were extremely alarmed.  We complained to the kindergarten.  They could see nothing wrong with what she was doing and said she was encouraging “imagination” etc.  It was only when we threatened his permanent removal from the centre that they arranged a meeting with us and they agreed to stop this kind of “teaching”.  These kids were 4 years old at the time.

I have had to go up to school when my daughter was in grade one and meet with her teacher as I heard that she was about to start reading a famous story about witches to the class.  I requested that she consider not reading the book, but if she were to go ahead with it that my daughter be removed from the class whilst she read the story.  She decided to not go ahead with it.

In grade two my daughter’s teacher began leading them through guided meditation and visualization as they lay on the floor.

In grade four this practice still continues in her classroom but, praise God, after much prayer about this the teacher has now given the children the option to “opt out” of it.  My daughter now giggles and chats quietly with a friend or reads a book as it goes on.

A “reflections” garden is now being planned and designed for the school with winding pathways and orbs.  Maybe I am getting overly alarmed, but this to me also sounds a bit worrying.

There seems to me to be a double-standard here – get rid of Christian education, remove the history of our Judeo-Christian heritage here in Australia, but practices from another religion such as Zen Buddhism or Hinduism are acceptable.

I know that nature abhors a vacuum, and so the removal of Christianity in any form from our schools will have to be replaced with something else.

My husband and I feel we are really left with no choice but to pull the kids out and put them in a Christian school.  But what about those families who cannot afford this option?

Has anyone else experienced anything similar?  Would love to hear any feedback.

 

 

 

 

 

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32 thoughts on “Occult Practices and Public Schools

  1. yet the same people go watch movies and television that contain the same occult practices for entertainment.

    • Yeah that’s right. Romans 1:32: “who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.”

  2. In Canada the “progressive” denomination actually helped get Christianity out of schools because Christianity is only “one way” to God. The other denominations fell asleep or buried their heads in the dust. Some Christian schools are no better because they choose a fundamentalist approach which teaches its own arrogance. We got through it with our daughters by being very active in the school, being conscious about teaching our girls about Jesus, and living faith the best we could. Now some of our Grandchildren will attend a Christian school next year because the public system has simply failed to educate even to their own low standards! This is a war for the souls of our children, and more Christians have to sign up and take it on. I pray you will find a way to educate and protect your children. Apathy is not an option.
    Peace

    • Wow – how insane that the progressives got Christianity out of the school! Seriously church wake up!! I totally agree with you that this is a war for the souls of our children – and Satan is active and awake, but unfortunately much of the church isn’t. Thank you for your sound advice. It is great to hear of what others do or have done. Yes you make a good point- what they learn at home is paramount. The thing that scares me is how quickly things are moving and have changed – and how much worse will it be in 2 or 5 years even…?
      I can identify with your daughter’s concerns about education standards. We found at the end of last year our daughter didn’t have a clue about ANY of the basic multiplication tables (end of grade 3). We have had to find a method via YouTube on how to teach her multiplication tables at home, which we are still going on with. That’s a sad indictment.
      Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions and help. God bless 🙂

  3. have you considered homeschooling? I don’t know anything about your personal situation but as a testimony my wife and I had our children in Christian education for many years. We decided that the doctrine was not sound and began homeschooling two years ago. Looking back it was the best decision we’ve ever made and would never go back.

    I’d love to share some material if you have any interest. I think Dr. Voddie Baucham has some extraordinary sermons on the problems with public education as it is here in the states. I’d encourage you to look for Children of Cesar or Whoever controls the schools controls the world. Blessings in this extremely important decision.

    • I actually did consider homeschooling right back before my daughter began school. I seriously considered it actually. The thing that stopped me is that I didn’t know if I had the patience for it, to be completely honest with you, and also I was a little concerned about the social side of things as my daughter is extremely outgoing. Goodness, writing this now I feel like a not-so-great parent, but that is the honest truth of what stopped me…. :/
      Thank you for your feedback and your input. May I ask what exactly you didn’t feel was up to scratch with the doctrine at Christian school? Was it not biblically-based? Was it too progressive?
      I will look into these resources you have given me. Anything else you can share I would certainly appreciate. thanks again and God bless 🙂

      • As a homeschool graduate myself, I’ll timidly put in a few words here, at the risk of sounding intrusive: you can absolutely do it, 🙂 and I expect you’ll be pleasantly surprised by the glorious things that result. I can’t imagine not-homeschooling my own children someday.

        Maybe something to pray about, at least…

      • Thank you Bryana, I do appreciate your comment. You are not intrusive at all 🙂
        Thank you for your encouragement and your advice. It is definitely something my husband and I are currently praying about – and something we are concerned about. We want His will in all things for our lives, especially for our children. It is always worthwhile hearing of others experiences and yours was obviously a very positive one concerning homeschooling. Your amazing writing and your love for Jesus is a testimony to it! Thanks again and God bless

      • Some Christian schools are just as bad as the public schools, so you still have to closely monitor your children. I’ve came across some teachers in the Christian schools who encouraged unscriptural lifestyles and when confronted about it; they actually didn’t see anything wrong with it. My son attended three different private Christian schools from first to sixth grade. I took him out of those schools either because the curriculum was not rigorous enough, or for staff’s indifference attitude towards unscriptural principles. (in one of the schools for example: boys and girls were allowed to cross dress during creative plays in first grade, because the teachers didn’t want to interfere with creativity) I’ve encountered other things in the private school setting that made me wondered why I was paying tuition for a quality of education that I can get for free.

        I started homeschooling him in sixth grade and I think is the best placement for him. There are so many parents homeschooling and it is not like it used to be. You can join homeschool co-op to give them access to their peers. You’ll have a chance to work with other parents and support each other. The last co-op we joined cost about $10 to join. The parents took the kids on regular fieldtrips, and each parent taught a class that they felt comfortable teaching. Our local YMCA taught homeschool P.E. classes, and inbetween those classes, the kids did bowling, jogging, hiking or biking. You just have to be flexible and creative. It is hard work, and you’ll have some frictions along the way, but it is well worth the effort.

      • Thank you for your comment. I appreciate your advice. It is so great to hear others’ stories. This is something that does concern me and my husband and I are continuing to pray about. Thanks and God bless 🙂

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  5. We’ve had all those same thoughts and concerns before we took the plunge and I can understand those are very real when you consider the importance of your children’s education. The doctrinal issues are simply that a Christian school is not a church, and they don’t have a doctrinal statement that gets carried out. Not all teachers attend the same church and therefore believe many different things concerning the Bible. Some our much more liberal in their thinking than others. We thought it was important that we present a consistent message to our children that our church teaches rather than identifying error when it surfaces. I think the most important item to consider is what does the Scripture teach about educating your children?

    I don’t want to be self promoting, but I’ve copied two articles below that I wrote recently regarding homeschooling. The one entitled “Vision” has a link to one of the Voddie Baucham sermons I referenced. He does an amazing job of addressing the “usual” concerns about socialization and things of this nature. I’d also want to say that you do have the patience to educate your children, God has promised that to Believers (Heb 4:14-16).

    There are many things to discuss practically about how to go about homeschooling and this is certainly something you and your husband should have many discussions about, but there is lots of help available and lots of good curriculum for the Christian that wants to educate with a Biblical Worldview.
    http://uncommonfaith.org/2013/11/12/should-christians-homeschool/ http://uncommonfaith.org/2014/04/30/vision/
    God will bless your desire to honor Him in the education of your children and the time spent with them is so short. You will never regret a minute spent with them. Lastly you may consider watching http://indoctrinationmovie.com/
    let me know if I can be of any assistance.

    • Yes, I can appreciate what you are saying about the Christian school and the reservations you had concerning it. You mentioned what the scripture teaches about educating our children…this is what actually convicted me when I re-read the scripture that places the responsibility of teaching our kids at the feet of the parents, specifically the father. I was convicted by the fact that one day my husband and I will have to stand before Christ and answer for how we have brought up and educated our children. If we have decided to hand on that responsibility to another, ie a school/teacher, then that is a decision we will need to give account for, so it needs to be one prayerfully made and led by the Holy Spirit. It is this scripture that has just recently convicted us that, as it stands, currently our children have been placed under the guidance of unbelievers and that doesn’t sit well with us anymore.
      Thank you for your articles, I am glad you have shared them, for us and for any others that may come across this post.
      Once again, thanks for your time, your concern and your godly advice. My husband and I are continuing to pray about this matter.
      God bless

  6. As a former teacher, there is much that goes on that parents don’t know–and most don’t care to know about. The dangerous point about the state having the kids every day for most of the year is that they can drip-drip-drip the occult teachings in a little at a time. It’s very hard for even the most observant parents to catch all of the indoctrination that goes on.

    The schools are under the control of the worker bees of the coming worldwide order. They may not be all integrated into the system yet, but it’s coming.

    I told my daughter if I had kids in school today I would do anything to get them out.

    Ultimately, homeschooling seems to be the answer–while it’s still permitted.

    • Yes I appreciate what you are saying and totally agree with you. It concerns me that if I know about this stuff – what else don’t I know about?
      I know that the UN has been rolling out a global curriculum (ie. indoctrination) produced by Julian Huxley of UNESCO, to public schools and that it is starting to take shape here in Australia. When I heard about this I knew it can’t be long now.
      I pray that God will open the eyes of all Christian parents to see what is going on in the schools. I pray that they will care enough to find out and fight for their kids. In Jesus Name, Amen.
      Thank you for taking the time to give your advice and wisdom. I do appreciate everyone’s help here. God bless

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  8. “A “reflections” garden is now being planned and designed for the school with winding pathways and orbs. Maybe I am getting overly alarmed”.
    You got that one right.
    Lady; your religion is one of hundreds in the world. You do not have the right to insist that your religion is the only one allowed in society. No more than you have the right to dictate what movies are watched, what books are read, and what sport teams are followed.
    You make your choice for your life, everyone else gets to choose for their life.
    Regrettably, parents are allowed to brainwash their children into their own religion at an age when they are unable to decide for themselves. However, you are able to do that. You can do it at home, and you can drag your children to the mosque of your choice, but everywhere else, your children will be exposed to a cross-section of humanity, with all that entails. If you want to live in a hippy Jesus commune, I suggest you move to one. You sound like an amish wierdo. Oh my gawd. Winding Pathways! What next! ORBS, even!
    Before you know it, they’ll allow Harry Potter on TV.
    Go find a cave somewhere. Maybe in Iran or Afghanistan.

    • Something that never ceases to amaze me is that every atheist I have encountered, whether online or face-to-face, is so full of anger and bitterness. Hmmm… why so angry at a God whom doesn’t exist? How is it even possible to be so angry at nothing? No matter how hard I try I find I just cannot summon anger towards the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Perhaps it’s because he doesn’t exist…

      • “Something that never ceases to amaze me is that every atheist I have encountered, whether online or face-to-face, is so full of anger and bitternes”

        I am neither angry nor bitter, although its a common stock response by people to brush off the content placed before them. I do, however, oppose the attempt by people like you to ensure that all public schools become some sort of madrassas where everyones children are indocrtinated in your particular brand of foolishness. There are hundreds of religions in the world, and it is everyone’s right to think and decide for themselves which they want to follow. Certainly, you have no right to insist that other’s children be indoctrinated in your faith.

        If you wish to brainwash your own children by home-teaching creationism, flat-earth theorlogy and all the rest, by all means; you will only be damaging your child.

        See, here is the thing; I was raised in a catholic school (probably close to satanism as far as you are concerned), and I dont actually have much of a grievance with that, because our gardens had winding paths, and my parents bookshelves werent scoured for any mention of the existence of other religions and censored. If I had been raised thusly, I’d probably have hated my parents for that, and by extension, the religion they shoved down my throat. But they didnt, so I’m not full of anger and bitterness. Towards them or their religions (one was lutheran, the other catholic, and they loves each other anyway, despite the fact that one, by definition, was going to hell as a heretic).

        If you want to know how we really feel, Imagine this:

        Imagine all public schools and, generally, the state, are largely pushing the religious of the flying spaghetti monster down everyone’s throat, whether they believe in him or not. Now imagine you read a blog from someone horrified that someone is introducing pesto sauce into the canteen, rather than the canonical bolognese. And they are talking about pulling their children out because of the menu change.

        THATS how I feel about you. Having a deluded view of reality is one thing; forcing it on your kids is another, but launching a crusade to fight off pesto over bolognese (winding over straight paths, sticks without feathers over sticks with feathers, narnia over harry potter) is really quite freakish, and the idea that you wish to spread your irrational fears and nonsense to other’s children is quite disturbing.

      • I agree that everyone has the right to decide their own beliefs and faith. That was never in question by my blog post. My post was about the fact that I am concerned to see that Christianity is being taken out of public schools and that what is replacing them is paganism. As a Christian of course I am concerned about this. And I have every right to be. I have a right to my own feelings, opinions and concerns. You are obviously concerned about Christianity being in public schools and getting pushed “down everyone’s throat”. You have a right to your feelings, opinions and concerns as well. What you are basically attacking me for is my personal opinions and concerns. You are intonating that while you have the right to be concerned about the religion of Christianity in public schools, I don’t have the same right to be concerned about the religion of paganism in public schools. It’s completely illogical.

  9. p.s., dont forget to delete my posts because of your radical censorship views.

    Here’s something for you to chew over:

    (1) Someday, your child will be able to see the world for him/herself. Quite often, children react by embracing whatever they were denied. Most radical satanists came from strict christian parents (Aleister Crowley, for one, was the son of a plymouth brethren preacher).
    (2) The values that Christ taught – tolerance, sharing, caring, love – are precisely those virtues least practised by radical Christians, who prefer judging others, being pious, praying loudly on street corners, greed, hating and intolerance. In short, modern Christians sound like pharisees. Do you want your child to soak in the values of Jesus or the values of Paul? Paul was a pharisee who tried to kill off Christianity. In the end, he destroyed Jesus’ teachings from within. Give the values of Jesus to your children, and trust them to be able to make up their own minds about “the occult”
    (3) Most of the occult is based on christianity. Thats why magic circles have the words “tetragrammaton”, “adonai”, YHWH”, and so on written around them. The dealing with demons is related to King Solomon, who used the demons to build the temple. Supposedly. In fact, none of these demons actually exist; they are all simply imaginative ways of dealing with your own subconscious.

    Now you can delete this ASAP before you get infected, because a priest hasnt told you what to do yet, and go back to your rabid cultish life.

    I really dont understand you people. Youre living yoru life scared, living in a cave, terrified that a teacher might wave a stick with a feather on the end of it.

    Good Grief.

    • Of course most of the occult is based on Christianity – and Judaism too actually! This is because it is Satan’s attempt to counterfeit God and take his worship. Why would he bother counterfeiting something that he’s created himself…?
      We are not scared by Satan nor the occult but we steer clear out of it because it is dangerous. You may choose to continue in blind ignorant materialism but don’t “judge” me for not holding to your views.

      • “Of course most of the occult is based on Christianity – and Judaism too actually! ” And of course catholicism or protestantism, depending on your choice.

        I had to laugh about this one. Christianity is based on Judaism, which is based on the occult… I can hear your head spinning already. Unless of course, you deny that Christianity was based on Judaism?

        You know that Jesus was a circumcised Jew, right? He followed occult Jewish rituals, like passover, unleavened bread, and all the rest of it?

        When your followers even remark “Some Christian schools are no better” you know people are on an idiological purity crusade akin to the red scare in America in the 1950’s, or the anti-Jewish campaigns in Germany.

        No religion can ever be pure enough.

        Yet here I am, having studied more about the worlds religions than you could possibly imagine, and I know what they have in common, where they differ, whats important, whats not important, even how to experience God directly in this life through “occult techniques” (exactly the same as mystical practices engaged in by the Christian saints) – although I have no desire to do so because I dont want to end up writing something like “revelations”.
        Youre sitting in your little tiny bubble afraid to put one foot in the wrong place lest you be thrown out of heaven forever as a result. Clearly, you have little faith in the forgiveness of god, or in his trust in your freewill.

        I dont know whether God exists or not (not having engaged in the mystical practices (largely thinking of nothing for hours on end)), but I do know this:

        Any God who does not want people who use their god-given brain to explore and reason and, having explored and reasoned, come to the conclusion that we need to love our fellow man – yes, including gays, muslims, hindus, samarians, tax collecters, lepers, people with aids, single mothers, widows, immigrants, emigrants, our “enemies” – is not a god worth worshipping.

        Fortunately, I find no such God in the teachings of Jesus. Paul, yes. Yahweh, yes. But not Jesus.
        My life is consistent with Jesus. My thoughts are consistent with those of Jesus, and my actions are too -well, I’m not in a commune and I dont preach on street corners, so maybe not. But my actions are consistent with the preachings of Jesus.

        As indeed they are with the teachings of the Dalai Lama, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Rumi, and a whole host of people you would find satanic. But the message is the same.

        LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

      • You write to “Love One Another“. That’s easy to say…. Funny that since you have been commenting on my blog you have done nothing but criticize and try to put me and my Christian beliefs down. Your comment from the other day on my post “From Muhammed to Jesus” was downright disrespectful, hateful and lacked any respect or empathy for Safa or her personal story. I edited that comment of yours heavily because she, as well as others who have struggled with addiction, didn’t need to read your hateful comments. So Love…? sorry you haven’t displayed any. But I am going to humour your arrogant sarcasm and answer some of your comments because my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ said to “Turn the other cheek” and also “Love your enemies.” In fact the very reason you can dish out bitter hatefulness towards Christians is because of the beauty of these ethics and morality from Judeo-Christianity on which Western society has been built. I’d like to see you dare write like this on other blogs of some other faiths!

        1. Judaism is not based on the occult. Rather the occult is based on Judaism and Christianity because only these two religions have originated with God and Satan tries to counterfeit true spirituality. Yes there is a branch of Judaism which is mystical paganism, ie Kabbalah, just as there are branches of Christianity which are mystical and pagan. These offshoots however are not true Christianity, just as Kabbalah is not true Judaism.
        2. The Passover and other feasts are NOT occultic. They were instituted by God in the Old Testament for the Hebrews as part of the Ceremonial Law to point them to Christ. Jesus took part in the feasts in the NT because He is Jewish and He came to fulfill the Law. He is the fulfillment of the Passover, the Feast of Unleavened bread and all of the other feasts.

        3. Who said God doesn’t want us to use our God-given brains to explore and reason? That’s atheistic propaganda which unfortunately you have swallowed and are now regurgitating.

        4. You have no right to assume that I don’t love my fellow man – including gays,muslims, hindus, single mothers etc. Neither does the Bible ever say not to love our fellow man, including these people. In fact it is the Bible that says to love one another in several places, even our enemies. You should read it sometime.

        5. You say you follow the teachings of Jesus… which of these do you follow? “Love your enemies” ? Hmmm… How about “Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish than for your whole body to be cast into hell” Or what about “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but through Me.”
        What about how Jesus says “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell..” How about when He said that “He came to fulfill the (OT) Law, not to destroy it.”
        You see you cannot follow Jesus as simply a “good man”, because that is not good LOGIC. He was either who He says He was (ie. God) or He was a mad-man. Accept Him as God, as the sinless Saviour who died for your sins and for mine on the cross, and was raised from the dead, or else reject Him and His teachings. It makes no sense otherwise when you really understand what He taught.

  10. As a Christian Religious Education Teacher, I am amazed that anyone can call a Christian intolerant!! I have noticed that Atheists’ tolerance never seems to extend to Christianity. All parents have a choice whether to put their children into the CRE classes or not. This is the way it should be – totally the parents’ choice. Unfortunately, those that choose NOT to put their children into CRE, are seeking to deny it to those whose parents whose choice is for them to attend CRE.
    As ‘you were saying – anything seems to go in schools now – except Jesus.
    Keep up your blog – it is very interesting. May God bless you.

  11. ” don’t “judge” me for not holding to your views”.
    See- thats the thing, “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. You are judging everyone and everything around you – people building gardens with *winding* pathways, for example – as being evil. And because of that, I’m judging you as slightly, odd.
    Blind and Ignorant – your words – spring to mind. And yes, you sound terrified of men with sticks, strings and feathers.

    See – here is the thing. Jesus left one of 140 perfectly good religions behind when he left – after following lots of occult practises himself, like meditating in a cave for 40 days and nights in the desert.
    Then a guy called Paul came along, and tried to kill all christians and stamp out christianity, but he was failing. So instead, this pharisee, paul, decided to join the cult and convert it from within.
    Now, instead of preaching love, and helping the poor, and welcoming the outcasts, Christianity has become a religion of purity laws, mainly sexual purity laws, and a home for bigots, pious people who pray loudly in the synagogues (and on cable TV), and, all in all, something resembling Pharisaism. The same thing that Jesus called “a brood of vipers”.

    Now, mainstream christianity supports war, intolerance of gays, muslims, single mothers, illegal immigrants and even the tax collecters. It also opposes welfare, medicare expansion, the affordable care act, housing the homeless, and supports giving tax breaks to billionaires pair for by squeezing the poor. Mainstream christians even oppose giving full-time workers more than $7.50 an hour, and even that minimum wage they would do away with, given the chance.

    So overall, the only people who have counterfeited god and taken his worship (because that which created the universe so needs worship, he’s that vain and jealous), are the Paul-thinking “christ”ians.

    I really wish Christianity were a religion; unfortunately, that ended back in the year 50 or so. Ever since, its been purity laws, worries about whether a winding path might be an orb, a drive for uniformity and control. Christians do not care about feeding the worlds 3 trillion poor and hungry, because that could be done in an instant with our trillions, they only care about what otehrs do in their private bedrooms and that we remain absolutely intolerant of all other religions.

    By their fruits shall ye know them, Jesus said.

    I’m a follower of the teachings of Jesus. I have no clue whether jesus ever existed, but his teachings certainly did, and 99% of what he is reported to have said, I agree with. – well, 75% (John was a later greek writer forcing Jesus into the greek pagan model, explaining all the discrepancies with the other three). If Jesus came back today, he’d be assaulted as a “communist european liberal” (the apostles had a common purse and were, in fact, a commune). And his views on social inclusion and justice were very liberal.

    But you people? Scared of a garden with a winding path as a harbinger of satan in your midst? Good Grief.

    • You can think of me however you wish, I don’t give two-hoots.

      My comment about winding pathways has to do with labyrinths, another pagan practice which I don’t want to see introduced into my kids’ school. That’s a valid concern however much you wish to mock me for it.

      The fact that you can even say Jesus participated in occult practices just screams ignorance. I mean, good grief, God came to earth in human form to save humankind from their sins… then you write that you have no idea whether Jesus even existed? Pardon me but isn’t “logic” the atheist catchphrase nowadays?

      I absolutely disagree with your assessment of Paul in every respect and aspect. Jesus personally called Paul into the work he did. Read Acts 9.

      Christianity has done more for the poor in this world than any other religion or human organization. Get the facts about that. And while you’re at it, get the facts about how much damage atheism has done in this world to date. Atheistic communism and fascism killed more people in the 20th century alone than any religion during the rest of human history combined…. And you wonder why I’d be concerned that our Judeo-Christian foundations are being eroded…? What’s the other option – communism?

      Look at Lenin, STalin, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Hitler…

      Seriously

  12. Thank you for censoring my comments.
    “Thank you. Yes – the classic case of “tolerance” being “intolerant”…”

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